Everything gets a bit meta this week as we have Ben Johnson of the Perpetual Chess Podcast round for tea. Hear about his life and career, and his favourite moments from hosting.

0:00 Intro and Let's Meet Ben!

8:29 Hugh's views

11:39 Jon has a quiz

13:13 Wijk aan Zee roundup and Candidates predictions

25:38 Perpetual Chess Podcast

41:58 Christory (Svetozar Gligorić)

49:04 Jon has a silly question

50:15 Jon has a quiz answer